I was lurking here and I was reading another thread where the overall accepted sentiment was that the majority of women cannot orgasm from penetration alone and I found myself in disbelief. So after a quick google search I found a sex study that found that 25% percent of women self reported that they were unable to orgasm from penetration alone with a partner or masturbation. Another study pinned this number at 31%. I'm shocked by these numbers. So I went through my "little black book" lol and did some calculations of my own. I keep a pretty detailed account of my sexual relationships ( I think from the rest of my post you will see that I'm very detailed). I've calculated that out of all the women I've been with, I've given penetration orgasms to 93%. Many women have told me that I was the first person to give them an orgasm via penetration alone. I didn't create this thread to brag. I'm more interested in having a discussion as to why my personal experience is so different from what the science has found. So I came up with some factors that may or may not contribute and I'm curious to hear what men and women have to say on the subject and the factors listed below.
1. Penis Girth: As far as I'm aware, I'm only slightly above average at 5.75 in. So I doubt this has much of an effect.
2. Penis Length: I'm not well endowed by any means. I measure in at 5.75 inches, but it is difficult for me to get fully aroused by myself and take a measurement. I would guess I'm 6 inches when I'm with a partner and engaging in intercourse, but I've never pulled out and taken a measurement directly.
3. Mindset: I started watching porn at probably much too young of an age and for some odd reason I feel like a failure if I have to resort to clitoral stimulation to give a girl an orgasm. When having intercourse, it's my mission to give an orgasm with my penetration alone and I generally will only resort to clitoral stimulation as a "Plan B" This obviously excludes times when engaging in oral sex for the sake of oral sex.
4. Foreplay/Teasing: I don't really enjoy "quickies." If I want a quickie it's easier to just masturbate. If you are having sex with me, book me for the full hour. So I usually spend around 20 to 30 minutes minimum, caressing her body, talking dirty, massaging, licking her everywere etc. I do think this is crucial to making a girl cum from penetration. I can't think of any times where she dropped her pants and we started penetrating immediately and she had an orgasm from penetration, I'm sure other people are capable of that, but it's doesn't really happen with me.
5.Masturbation: I masturbate 2 to 3 times per day usually. It's been years since I've gone more than a day without masturbating once. So I am fairly desensitized-- meaning I don't have a problem with premature ejaculation and I can essentially cum on command, but it's a little bit less than that. Sometimes it's actually a bit difficult for me to finish. I think this plays into the next point.
6. Length of penetration: Usually I have to be engaging in penetration for a good 20 to 25 minutes with several different positions before she orgasms from penetration alone. Sometimes I will go back and forth between giving her oral (where basically I'm catching my breath) and penetration. I like to mix it up a bit and I think this may help.
7. Physical Fitness: I am admittedly a gym rat. I lift heavy weights 4x per week and do intense cardio 3 to 4 times per week. I think this may help for two reasons. The first being that I imagine most women find a guy with a nice body to visually appealing, but more importantly if you don't have the physical endurance it may be difficult to have sex with a lot of intensity for the 20 to 25 minutes it usually takes me to get them to orgasm. Also, as soon as I become winded and fatigued, my erection suffers and that leads me to my next point.
8. Erection Strength: I really don't have anything to say about this because my penis is the only one I've ever interacted with, but I have been told over and over and over that my penis is very hard during sex. I don't know if that is genetic or how much stifness contributes. I do notice that the healthier I eat and the more exercise I get seems to go a long way with keeping it very hard for the duration of intercourse.
9. Comfort level: Unless I'm traveling, I almost never have one night stands. In fact I've had only a handful my entire life. These women, I did not use to calculated the 90% that I stated at the beginning of the thread. The reason I excluded them is because every woman has nuances about them that really drives them wild. Some women like a finger in their butt, some like to be choked or their hair pulled. Some like to be tied up, and some like to have extremely dirty things or very "lovey dovey things whispered in their ear. Exploring the woman and finding out what drives her wild I think is an essential part of being able to give a woman an orgasm through penetration alone. A little anecdote: I was once with a woman for quite a while when I started talking to her about getting a bunch of guys to fuck her one after another and If I recall correctly the line was "You can have all the cock you want" and she exploded. She was such a sweetheart and you would have never expected that. This stuff takes time, and I'm not willing to risk the seedier stuff on a one night stand because you don't want to offend or upset a woman by saying something that turns them off.
10. Condoms: I never use them. I mean never. I won't even have sex if I have to use one. I practice sexual health by getting tested regularly and I require my partners get tested regularly as well.
11. Technique: The fast pump and dump IME is not very effective. The main technique I use to achieve the orgasm is starting off slow with shallow penetration, then going in deeper, and then deeper then using a grinding technique where you hold her hips and grind. Push in and then grind against the front (anterior) wall, pull the penis back out a little bit and thrust in and grind against the anterior wall again , slowly at first and then increase the speed and force. Do this continually and and then mix it up by doing the same thing but this time grinding against the back (posterior)wall, and then the left lateral wall, and then right lateral right. Or you can swirl the penis around like you are cleaning a toilet bowl to mix it up. Listen and look to her cues to which spot she likes it best (its different for each position and each woman) but once you find which "wall" or "spot" she likes best then continue that motion until she explodes, sometimes it can take up to 7 or 8 minutes of continuous grinding in the right spot, but more often than not it only takes around 3 to 4 minutes. It's exhausting so often I'll revert back to regular in and out thrusting when I'm tired, and sometimes even back to giving her oral when I'm exhausted, but once I catch my breath it's back in and back to grinding.
12. Position. It really depends on the woman and where she likes it. But you want positions where you have leverage because it's so tiring. So if she likes being grinded against her posterior wall and your penis curves to the left, you might try a scissoring position so your penis puts pressure on the posterior wall. It would be very difficult to use missionary to hit the posterior wall. You have to experiment a bit, but overall modified missionary, scissoring, and regular, reverse, and scissoring cowgirl work best for me. I find it almost impossible to be able to have enough leverage and put enough pressure on her in doggystyle for example. So if that's your go to might be time to switch it up. Likewise, any standing positions are just too exhausting to do this with IMO. Use gravity as your friend.
Bonus: There are two oddities about me that may contribute, they probably don't, but I'm going to include them anyway. 1. Most women don't like to give blowjobs, cheers to the ones that do, but IME most don't. I hate blowjobs. Yes I know it's weird. I like giving oral, but I don't like getting it. So if I am having sex with a woman, she does not have the taste of penis sweat in her mouth haha. 2. I live in Philly and I'm a white male that only sleeps with ethnic women. It's just my preference. I don't think genetically it matters at all. I don't think ethnic women are easier to make orgasm. But often, I'm sleeping with fresh off the boat foreigners-- and so there may be an interracial, not quite taboo, but a component that they find erotic, this probably doesn't contribute, but who knows.
Feel free to chime in with your overall experiences or if you want to just focus one of the factors I've listed specifically, it would be great to hear from others and see if we can crack this code together.
Cheers,
1. Penis Girth: As far as I'm aware, I'm only slightly above average at 5.75 in. So I doubt this has much of an effect.
2. Penis Length: I'm not well endowed by any means. I measure in at 5.75 inches, but it is difficult for me to get fully aroused by myself and take a measurement. I would guess I'm 6 inches when I'm with a partner and engaging in intercourse, but I've never pulled out and taken a measurement directly.
3. Mindset: I started watching porn at probably much too young of an age and for some odd reason I feel like a failure if I have to resort to clitoral stimulation to give a girl an orgasm. When having intercourse, it's my mission to give an orgasm with my penetration alone and I generally will only resort to clitoral stimulation as a "Plan B" This obviously excludes times when engaging in oral sex for the sake of oral sex.
4. Foreplay/Teasing: I don't really enjoy "quickies." If I want a quickie it's easier to just masturbate. If you are having sex with me, book me for the full hour. So I usually spend around 20 to 30 minutes minimum, caressing her body, talking dirty, massaging, licking her everywere etc. I do think this is crucial to making a girl cum from penetration. I can't think of any times where she dropped her pants and we started penetrating immediately and she had an orgasm from penetration, I'm sure other people are capable of that, but it's doesn't really happen with me.
5.Masturbation: I masturbate 2 to 3 times per day usually. It's been years since I've gone more than a day without masturbating once. So I am fairly desensitized-- meaning I don't have a problem with premature ejaculation and I can essentially cum on command, but it's a little bit less than that. Sometimes it's actually a bit difficult for me to finish. I think this plays into the next point.
6. Length of penetration: Usually I have to be engaging in penetration for a good 20 to 25 minutes with several different positions before she orgasms from penetration alone. Sometimes I will go back and forth between giving her oral (where basically I'm catching my breath) and penetration. I like to mix it up a bit and I think this may help.
7. Physical Fitness: I am admittedly a gym rat. I lift heavy weights 4x per week and do intense cardio 3 to 4 times per week. I think this may help for two reasons. The first being that I imagine most women find a guy with a nice body to visually appealing, but more importantly if you don't have the physical endurance it may be difficult to have sex with a lot of intensity for the 20 to 25 minutes it usually takes me to get them to orgasm. Also, as soon as I become winded and fatigued, my erection suffers and that leads me to my next point.
8. Erection Strength: I really don't have anything to say about this because my penis is the only one I've ever interacted with, but I have been told over and over and over that my penis is very hard during sex. I don't know if that is genetic or how much stifness contributes. I do notice that the healthier I eat and the more exercise I get seems to go a long way with keeping it very hard for the duration of intercourse.
9. Comfort level: Unless I'm traveling, I almost never have one night stands. In fact I've had only a handful my entire life. These women, I did not use to calculated the 90% that I stated at the beginning of the thread. The reason I excluded them is because every woman has nuances about them that really drives them wild. Some women like a finger in their butt, some like to be choked or their hair pulled. Some like to be tied up, and some like to have extremely dirty things or very "lovey dovey things whispered in their ear. Exploring the woman and finding out what drives her wild I think is an essential part of being able to give a woman an orgasm through penetration alone. A little anecdote: I was once with a woman for quite a while when I started talking to her about getting a bunch of guys to fuck her one after another and If I recall correctly the line was "You can have all the cock you want" and she exploded. She was such a sweetheart and you would have never expected that. This stuff takes time, and I'm not willing to risk the seedier stuff on a one night stand because you don't want to offend or upset a woman by saying something that turns them off.
10. Condoms: I never use them. I mean never. I won't even have sex if I have to use one. I practice sexual health by getting tested regularly and I require my partners get tested regularly as well.
11. Technique: The fast pump and dump IME is not very effective. The main technique I use to achieve the orgasm is starting off slow with shallow penetration, then going in deeper, and then deeper then using a grinding technique where you hold her hips and grind. Push in and then grind against the front (anterior) wall, pull the penis back out a little bit and thrust in and grind against the anterior wall again , slowly at first and then increase the speed and force. Do this continually and and then mix it up by doing the same thing but this time grinding against the back (posterior)wall, and then the left lateral wall, and then right lateral right. Or you can swirl the penis around like you are cleaning a toilet bowl to mix it up. Listen and look to her cues to which spot she likes it best (its different for each position and each woman) but once you find which "wall" or "spot" she likes best then continue that motion until she explodes, sometimes it can take up to 7 or 8 minutes of continuous grinding in the right spot, but more often than not it only takes around 3 to 4 minutes. It's exhausting so often I'll revert back to regular in and out thrusting when I'm tired, and sometimes even back to giving her oral when I'm exhausted, but once I catch my breath it's back in and back to grinding.
12. Position. It really depends on the woman and where she likes it. But you want positions where you have leverage because it's so tiring. So if she likes being grinded against her posterior wall and your penis curves to the left, you might try a scissoring position so your penis puts pressure on the posterior wall. It would be very difficult to use missionary to hit the posterior wall. You have to experiment a bit, but overall modified missionary, scissoring, and regular, reverse, and scissoring cowgirl work best for me. I find it almost impossible to be able to have enough leverage and put enough pressure on her in doggystyle for example. So if that's your go to might be time to switch it up. Likewise, any standing positions are just too exhausting to do this with IMO. Use gravity as your friend.
Bonus: There are two oddities about me that may contribute, they probably don't, but I'm going to include them anyway. 1. Most women don't like to give blowjobs, cheers to the ones that do, but IME most don't. I hate blowjobs. Yes I know it's weird. I like giving oral, but I don't like getting it. So if I am having sex with a woman, she does not have the taste of penis sweat in her mouth haha. 2. I live in Philly and I'm a white male that only sleeps with ethnic women. It's just my preference. I don't think genetically it matters at all. I don't think ethnic women are easier to make orgasm. But often, I'm sleeping with fresh off the boat foreigners-- and so there may be an interracial, not quite taboo, but a component that they find erotic, this probably doesn't contribute, but who knows.
Feel free to chime in with your overall experiences or if you want to just focus one of the factors I've listed specifically, it would be great to hear from others and see if we can crack this code together.
Cheers,